RPG NTR [Makura cover soft] 魔剣士リーネ2/ Leane of Legitimate Crown (RJ194521)


Mikufanboy

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Sep 20, 2012
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Just to clarify, I'm not against capture corruption systems per se, and I'm not calling for any changes in personality types etc. The specific issue I have here is that only women are subject to the capture corruption system, and it's the majority of women in the game subject to it. As I recall (and if I'm wrong, please correct me) Male generals in the Leane games are not subject to the capture corruption system, and when captured they just stay in prison, loyal to the last. Or escape.

If male generals could get captured and corrupted as well, then I would have no problem with the basic idea of the system (and that doesn't necessarily call for more events, either - it could just be numbers based). The issue is that because the system is applied only to the female cast and not the male cast, and that the system doesn't paint those corrupted in the most flattering light, it feels like a very negative take on women in general. And that doesn't sit well with me, at least.
Asking for equilibrium then? I suppose that's only fair, though I have to wonder if adding yaoi to the game would have served it greater sales to offset the time spent creating it. I don't think I've seen this developer ever do yaoi either in his older works.
 

habisain

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Jul 15, 2012
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Asking for equilibrium then? I suppose that's only fair, though I have to wonder if adding yaoi to the game would have served it greater sales to offset the time spent creating it. I don't think I've seen this developer ever do yaoi either in his older works.
Pretty certain equilibrium would mean the male generals being seduced (or rather, raped into submission) by female enemy generals. And as I said, not necessarily adding scenes either - just having it in the game systems would be enough to address my observation.
 

Mikufanboy

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Sep 20, 2012
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Pretty certain equilibrium would mean the male generals being seduced (or rather, raped into submission) by female enemy generals. And as I said, not necessarily adding scenes either - just having it in the game systems would be enough to address my observation.
Fair enough, though I'd have to wonder if there would be any merit for such implementation.
 

raiten28

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Sep 16, 2012
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Pretty certain equilibrium would mean the male generals being seduced (or rather, raped into submission) by female enemy generals. And as I said, not necessarily adding scenes either - just having it in the game systems would be enough to address my observation.
Well, maybe it slipped off the creator's mind? Because he probably designed this game to be mainly NTR SRPG. I understand your point though. It really does put the heroines in bad light for betraying their country. But well...I kinda accept it just like other corruption/NTR RPG.

But if the male general can be "converted" as well then this game will be too hard for a noob like me lol. I level up and use some the main male generals to defend my territory when the heroines are still in king harem or with the Hippia rapists. When they are in prison I don't need to hurry freeing them as well. One of the scene has requirement that almost all the heroines are in harem so if I only have weak male generals or they switch side then I will probably get trampled by enemy lol (in Hard mode, at least).

Story-wise, I think maybe the Hippia simply doesn't care about male Highlander. I remember one of the Hippia princes mention that their policy is to "erase" the defeated country by slaying or slaving all the men then impregnate the women. Basically the want to fill the world with only Hippia descendants, and not necessarily pure-blood. Maybe that's the reason they don't bother "converting" the male generals. Damn, if they are smart they will try to convert Ares. He is a genius strategist.
 

maddogrd

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Jul 2, 2012
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In the scenario text folders for the heroines it says there is a level were the heroines will refuse to leave the harem but I can't get in game. Does anyone know how to get these scenes?
 

itzaguy

Demon Girl
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In the scenario text folders for the heroines it says there is a level were the heroines will refuse to leave the harem but I can't get in game. Does anyone know how to get these scenes?
You have to get them when the girl is in the backroom having sex with king, then you ask the king to release the general to serve in army, then if the girls love for king is high enough and she hasn't gotten knocked up by him yet she will refuse.
 

Cupio

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Mar 26, 2012
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Pretty certain equilibrium would mean the male generals being seduced (or rather, raped into submission) by female enemy generals. And as I said, not necessarily adding scenes either - just having it in the game systems would be enough to address my observation.
You mean like wish-fulfillment reverse rape games? Where you get "rape" by hot busty female enemies? Why though? Wish-fulfillment is the complete opposite of what this game is about. Unless you mean getting raped by fugly women, but who would be into that? Yaoi could work as a separate game since it would serve little point to the targeted male audience of this game. Females who are into H-games are small in general so even a separate game focusing on yaoi would be a questionable use of their time.

Also, equal treatment of gender? Protraying women in a negative light? Dude, its just a freaking porn game targeted towards getting men off. Why the heck are you thinking so hard about this nonsense? Either fap or not and move on with your life.
 
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habisain

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Jul 15, 2012
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Also, equal treatment of gender? Protraying women in a negative light? Dude, its just a freaking porn game targeted towards getting men off. Why the heck are you thinking so hard about this nonsense? Either fap or not and move on with your life.
Hey, I already said that some people will find this game in their tastes. I specifically said that I am not happy with games that portray women negatively, and I suspect that's true of a lot of people.

And I'm an academic. Thinking hard about things is kind of what I do, and this is a forum for the discussion of H-games. I don't think you have any right to tell me to shut up just because I'm voicing a contrary opinion to your own.
 
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Be respectful to one another. This was an unwarranted comment that only serves the purpose of riling Habisain up. Subsequent incidents will result in a 2 week ban.
Hey, I already said that some people will find this game in their tastes. I specifically said that I am not happy with games that portray women negatively, and I suspect that's true of a lot of people.

And I'm an academic. Thinking hard about things is kind of what I do, and this is a forum for the discussion of H-games. I don't think you have any right to tell me to shut up just because I'm voicing a contrary opinion to your own.
There's much better things you could be thinking about, like finishing your translation of Virgin Protection Magic. It's been a year since the last update by the way.
 

habisain

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Jul 15, 2012
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There's much better things you could be thinking about, like finishing your translation of Virgin Protection Magic. It's been a year since the last update by the way.
Wow. You know what? I'm not sure this is worth it. Is this community becoming so toxic that people want to shut down any discussion that they disagree with? Are you telling me what I should think? Instructing me on what I should do?

Are you saying that because I've presented a contrary personal view, that I myself am not happy about games which are misogynistic, you can tell me what I should do? And the follow up question: Given that you do not pay me for my work on VPM, do you really think that trying to censor what I'm allowed to think about is going to be motivate me to do something?

If this is the level of discussion, I'm done with it.
 

Mikufanboy

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Sep 20, 2012
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Pretty sure if you try to talk about your moral viewpoint in any forum on the internet you're going to get a differ of opinion or even animosity depending on what stance you're taking, especially the humanitarian high ground given how tired this generation is of "Won't someone think of the Children!?" type of speeches. Come on habisain, you're not new to the internet this shouldn't take you back at all. You might want to go back to working on the translation project for everyone's benefit instead as it'll give you more happy faces and generally make everyone happy.

So anyway, you guys know what the developer has been up to, if he plans to make more of these SLG type H games? Maybe Leane 2 but with a smaller scale I hope so he can refine the system.
 

habisain

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Jul 15, 2012
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Pretty sure if you try to talk about your moral viewpoint in any forum on the internet you're going to get a differ of opinion or even animosity depending on what stance you're taking, especially the humanitarian high ground given how tired this generation is of "Won't someone think of the Children!?" type of speeches. Come on habisain, you're not new to the internet this shouldn't take you back at all. You might want to go back to working on the translation project for everyone's benefit instead as it'll give you more happy faces and generally make everyone happy.
This isn't about humanitarian high ground, and you shouldn't put words like "Won't someone think of the Children!?" into my mouth. There's a fundamental thing which is that because I have an opinion that a few people disagree with, I'm being told to shut up so that they don't have to confront alternative views, and I'm being told that I shouldn't even think things they disagree with.

A forum is a place where people discus things. Not tell each other to shut up.
 

Mikufanboy

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Sep 20, 2012
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This isn't about humanitarian high ground, and you shouldn't put words like "Won't someone think of the Children!?" into my mouth. There's a fundamental thing which is that because I have an opinion that a few people disagree with, I'm being told to shut up so that they don't have to confront alternative views, and I'm being told that I shouldn't even think things they disagree with.

A forum is a place where people discus things. Not tell each other to shut up.
I never said hasbisain did take a humanitarian high ground or that you said "won't someone think of the children", I was just speaking objectively. Hora see, you're starting to take things on a personal level and I'm starting to worry about your mental health. And like I said, if you try to argue within any moral ground you're bound to get disagreeable opinions and animosity, the forums are honestly the least echo chamber places on the internet because we're allowed to tell the other your stance and your opinion contrary, even if that other opinion ends with a snarky response. As the saying goes, if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
 
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habisain

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I never said hasbisain did take a humanitarian high ground or that you said "won't someone think of the children", I was just speaking objectively. Hora see, you're starting to take things on a personal level and I'm starting to worry about your mental health. And like I said, if you try to argue within any moral ground you're bound to get disagreeable opinions and animosity, the forums are honestly the least echo chamber places on the internet because we're allowed to tell the other your stance and your opinion contrary, even if that other opinion ends with a snarky response. As the saying goes, if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
You misunderstand my point. I'm absolutely fine with disagreement - I've been pretty explicit about that, stating multiple times that for some people this game doesn't present an issue, and that's OK. However, when people start to tell me that I should not even be thinking something that they disagree with, or that I should just exclusively do things which they want me to do, then that is when I start to take offence. And of course, because people - including yourself and your insinuations about my mental health - are now talking about me rather than discussing opinions, then I think it has been made personal.

As I said, this is a forum. It is a place for people to discus things, not to tell others to shut up.
 
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Mikufanboy

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You misunderstand my point. I'm absolutely fine with disagreement - I've been pretty explicit about that, stating multiple times that for some people this game doesn't present an issue, and that's OK. However, when people start to tell me that I should not even be thinking something that they disagree with, or that I should just exclusively do things which they want me to do, then that is when I start to take offence. And of course, because people - including yourself and your insinuations about my mental health - are now talking about me rather than discussing opinions, then I think it has been made personal.

As I said, this is a forum. It is a place for people to discus things, not to tell others to shut up.
No, it's not that I didn't misinterpret your point, it's that the notion that implies that people telling others to shut up is in itself, is what the forum can be used for. That kind of liberty is genuine of forums and unless it's super authoritarian in here, being as humble or crude is within the boundaries of discussions as long as we aren't being told it's kindergarten here. There are no rules that state otherwise, unless you do one of the things that are explicitly stated in the rules we were given. As far as the conversations that have been had here go, everyone has been keeping it as marginal as it can be when it comes to snide and offensive comments and it's up to other party to take offense on a personal level. Though, you'll be in a happier place if you can power on through such comments and continue your deliberations till you reach a consensus as arguing on the internet will give you as much peace of mind as running your butt through a cheese grater. That and starting a conversation on morals will inevitably get you set on fire, as I have said.

Let it be said that while I was the most neutral in replying to you, I have received what seems like your ire with the reputation mark. I'm disappointed, but that to is what the forum is for.
 
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habisain

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No, it's not that I didn't misinterpret your point, it's that the notion that implies that people telling others to shut up is in itself, is what the forum can be used for. That kind of liberty is genuine of forums and unless it's super authoritarian in here, being as humble or crude is within the boundaries of discussions as long as we aren't being told it's kindergarten here. There are no rules that state otherwise, unless you do one of the things that are explicitly stated in the rules we were given. As far as the conversations that have been had here go, everyone has been keeping it as marginal as it can be when it comes to snide and offensive comments and it's up to other party to take offense on a personal level. Though, you'll be in a happier place if you can power on through such comments and continue your deliberations till you reach a consensus as arguing on the internet will give you as much peace of mind as running your butt through a cheese grater. That and starting a conversation on morals will inevitably get you set on fire, as I have said.

Let it be said that while I was the most neutral in replying to you, I have received what seems like your ire with the reputation mark. I'm disappointed, but that to is what the forum is for.
And I was not aware that a reputation mark which is stated as "Respectfully Disagree" would be taken offensively. The word "Respectfully" is in there and everything, and it was not meant as a slight in any way.

Very well. I'll respect what you've said and withdraw that mark. But as you bring it up, please read the forum rules, specifically 1, entitled "Be respectful to one another". While you may have a different viewpoint, I do not find people telling me that I should not have my own opinions to be respectful, and nor do I find people telling me what I should be doing to be respectful, especially not in the manner of recent posts in this thread.

I'm drawing a line on this now and won't respond here again, to prevent this thread from getting any further off topic.
 

Mikufanboy

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And I was not aware that a reputation mark which is stated as "Respectfully Disagree" would be taken offensively. The word "Respectfully" is in there and everything, and it was not meant as a slight in any way.

Very well. I'll respect what you've said and withdraw that mark. But as you bring it up, please read the forum rules, specifically 1, entitled "Be respectful to one another". While you may have a different viewpoint, I do not find people telling me that I should not have my own opinions to be respectful, and nor do I find people telling me what I should be doing to be respectful, especially not in the manner of recent posts in this thread.
Why thank you, I do find the reputation system to be silly either way, I simply assumed that's what people do nowadays to slight one another as that was generally all it surmised to be in reality.

I would think they were trying to be respectful given they didn't out right tell you to shut up, just imply it. Given how text isn't as efficient as voice when it comes to being precise in how a person is trying to convey their feelings, it's really hard to pin-point when to start taking things personal unless they use the words precisely. That's why I normally just brush off snide remarks as they aren't as offensive as it all appears, but I suppose it follows under one's preview of how to behave.
 

DarkFire1004

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In the case that somebody else wanted to interject in this conversation, don't. This is the final word about it.

Habisain is absolutely correct here; he is completely free to discuss underlying principles and themes about a game and what they may represent on a deeper level. In fact, I encourage this sort of discourse. Others are free to disagree and may try to steer the discussion elsewhere, but I don't tolerate trying to silence discussion simply because "it's a hentai game" and we shouldn't be thinking so hard about it (Ironic, since I'm now ending this line of thought for everybody).

Now please get back on topic.
 

DawnCry

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After playing quite a bit this game I have liked it a lot but it has quite a few big problems, after thinking about it this is what I think needs to be changed:

-First of all troops, no limit to how many troops can use any general but, having a leadership limit to how many he/she can use effectively, depending on the difference there would be penalties to the unit performance.

-More depth to money and economy, money loses it's use sooner rather than later, so following the first point it would increase the costs of the army, this is a limit so you can't create a 999999 units army. Another thing would be to develop the economy of the territory and being able to pay a rescue for a captured general.

-Rework of how the army works, basically adding a respect stat that if it's below a certain number the army of x general will act according to their own will and refuse to follow orders, this is to generate more opportunities for a general (especially female) to be captured and corrupted. Being above x loyalty would let you control that army normally or completing a loyalty mission or something (some requirement to make it permanent).

To add to that point perhaps being a young supreme commander with no merits in battle but of great intelligence would be an ideal situation, having to prove himself to the army. Of course starting with a few units fully loyal so that the player can play in that situation.

-Rework of prison mechanics, the enemy general shouldn't move to the front lines but rather the girl to the enemy general, this would make it harder to do a military rescue, after joining the enemy side there will be a point after which the girl can't be recruited back to your army because she will be fully loyal to the enemy.

-Generating generic units that the ai will sacrifice without problem against you to weaken your army and empire,

-Generating a "full attack" order for the enemy empires, in this one the enemy will fully use the human wave tactic against your cities and focusing more on the ones that have a weaker defense. Basically under this order the enemy will recruit a lot more units that it can sustain and use them to attack your cities with the promise of pillage and destruction (a conquered city would receive a heavy damage to it's economy). This is because when you are strong enough the ai, even on the hardest difficulty won't attack you more than once or twice per year. Doing something like this we could find a full attack campaign for 3 month in which you have to defend a lot from a strong offensive that doesn't care about how many soldiers die.

-Taking away the harem mechanic, it adds very little to the gameplay and it's mostly annoying to play with, it isn't hard to play around it, just annoying.
 

Evil987

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Jul 23, 2010
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good advice. i agree with some of that.
-Taking away the harem mechanic, it adds very little to the gameplay and it's mostly annoying to play with, it isn't hard to play around it, just annoying.
rotlf, it's the most important feature of the game, paired with the capture system, and the better one implemented so far (always improvable of course).